Nubert Lautsprecher, HiFi- und Surround-Elektronik

Das ist keine Zukunftsvision, das ist bereits Realität. Nur Spaß macht es keinen, alles umständlich auf dem Tablet zu steuern.

R. Steidle hat geschrieben:

So I was thinking about connecting the X-8000 using both XLR (with stereo preamp) and RCA for HT. I suppose there is no problem, right ? Probably as long as I don't turn on both preamp at the same time.

Of course you can connect multiple sources to multiple inputs at the same time. It doesn't really matter if the players connecting to these inputs are turned on or off, since there can only ever be one active input at any given time.

I was not talking about sources but Preamplifier and I just realized I was wrong about having both RCA and XLR to connect them, the XLR is for a digital (aes) input. I didn't see well on the back panel and of course it's not preout otherwise you would have put a pair of them for left and right.. Sorry I did this mistake I should have looked better.

R. Steidle hat geschrieben: No, I am sorry, that is incorrect. This might be a misunderstanding due to the automatic translation. There can be a wireless connection from a nuPro master box to a nuPro slave box but not directly from a preamp (or any other source) to a slave speaker. If you want to connect your rear speakers wirelessly, you will have to input the front left and rear left channel both into the front left speaker by using the analog RCA inputs. (They are usually used to transfer signals for the left and right channel but can of course also transfer front and rear channels.) Then, make this speaker the master and connect it to the slave speaker wirelessly. Proceed accordingly with the front right and rear right channel with a second pair of nuPro speakers. And yes, you can use and pair different models in the nuPro X series.

All in all, setting up a multichannel system with nuPro X speakers is not a particularly easy task, more so when you cannot read the manuals and have to rely on automatic translators. My suggestion would be to wait a while: There will be a written setup guide especially for surround systems within the next few weeks, which we will probably publish as a PDF on our website. This will most certainly clear things up for you, even if you cannot understand all of it, since we are planning on including as many helpful drawings as possible.

Of course, we are always help to answer any specific questions you might have but talking you through the whole setup process will probably not be possible. (It would probably also be very difficult since neither you nor we are native English speakers. I don't actually know if any of my colleagues speak French well enough ...)

Thanks a lot for those answers. English is perfect. You're right it has to be a google automatic translation misunderstanding about the wireless connection but It was too good to be true so thanks for this clarification. Of course you will need to connect the rear speakers to your preamp exactly the way you do with passive speakers, only difference is the cable, rca/xlr instead of speaker cable.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I see 0 difficulty to set up a multi-channel system, all you need is a dedicated Home Theater preamp and you will connect all the preout with rca (or xlr) cables to the speakers exactly the way you would have done with a multi-channel amp/preamp.
Maybe you just need to set a level for each speaker then let the preamp do his work and adjusting everything with it (levels, distance, size of speakers..) and to simplify maybe you should connect all your sources directly to the preamp himself and not the speakers. At this point there will be no differences with some regular speakers and their amplifier, no ? Am I missing something ?

damned hat geschrieben:You're right it has to be a google automatic translation misunderstanding about the wireless connection but It was too good to be true so thanks for this clarification. Of course you will need to connect the rear speakers to your preamp exactly the way you do with passive speakers, only difference is the cable, rca/xlr instead of speaker cable.

It should be possible with these external wireless audio transmitters:

https://www.nubert.de/nufunk-wireless/20/

damned hat geschrieben:...Thanks a lot for those answers. English is perfect. You're right it has to be a google automatic translation misunderstanding about the wireless connection but It was too good to be true so thanks for this clarification. Of course you will need to connect the rear speakers to your preamp exactly the way you do with passive speakers, only difference is the cable, rca/xlr instead of speaker cable.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I see 0 difficulty to set up a multi-channel system, all you need is a dedicated Home Theater preamp and you will connect all the preout with rca (or xlr) cables to the speakers exactly the way you would have done with a multi-channel amp/preamp.
Maybe you just need to set a level for each speaker then let the preamp do his work and adjusting everything with it (levels, distance, size of speakers..) and to simplify maybe you should connect all your sources directly to the preamp himself and not the speakers. At this point there will be no differences with some regular speakers and their amplifier, no ? Am I missing something ?

Sure, you can connect each channel of your preamp to the corresponding speaker. But, you do not need to do that. You can also connect the preamp-output for a front speaker and a rear speaker to a a single front speaker. The front speaker sends the signal wireless to the rear speaker.

Each speaker can receive two channels and send one of the two channels wirelessly to another speaker.

Before there is any more confusion, let me try to clear things up and emphasize what user nugehts.los wrote.

When you have a pair of nuPro X speakers in master/slave configuration, any sources only have to be connected to one of the speakers, the master box.
The master speaker then sends the audio signal and any control commands (i.e. "louder", "more bass", "mute") to the slave speaker.
The connection between master and slave can be wired (there is a link cable included) but it can also be wireless through the built-in wifi module. Each nuPro speaker is a complete unit that includes a full set of electronics, so you can freely choose which speaker should be the master and which one the slave. Each speaker needs its own power source (power cables are included, of course) but in a stereo set only one of them needs to be connected to the source. The other one just needs to be connected to the first speaker (not the source).

Think of it like this: Your master speaker is both an active speaker and something like a stereo receiver. So a typical stereo chain with nuPro X would look like this:

CD player -> TOSLINK -> nuPro master -> built-in WiFi -> nuPro slave

A very basic surround set (4.0) would look like this:

BD player -> HDMI -> AV receiver -> pre-out RCA front left, rear left -> first nuPro Master -> built-in WiFi -> first nuPro slave
PLUS pre-out RCA front right, rear right -> second nuPro Master -> built-in WiFi -> second nuPro slave

Edited to add: I forgot one exception. When using a symmetric XLR connection, both master and slave speaker are connected to the source. But again, that is the exception. When using S/PDIF, USB, RCA and so on, only the master speaker is connected to the source.

nugehts.los hat geschrieben:Ja, die App-Steuerung ist wirklich das Sahnehäubchen der Nupro X-Serie. Anstatt die Fernbedienungen für den Bluray-Player, den AVR-Receiver, die Set-Top-Box, den Fernseher, .... und schließlich die Boxen hin- und herzuschaufeln, sitzt man dereinst an seinem Tablet und steuert damit alle Geräte gleichzeitig.

Ich habe gar kein Tablet, brauche aber dennoch nur eine Fernbedienung, nämlich die vom Onkyo-AVR. Und die kann ich sogar haptisch - also blind - bedienen. Ob ich der allerdings die Befehlssätze der nuPros beibringen könnte, weiß ich nicht (solche hab ich nämlich nicht, bin also off-topic ). Aber das finde ich noch deutlich bequemer als auf ein Tablet oder Smartphone zu schauen, wenn es um die alltägliche Bedienung geht. Zun Einrichten der Einstellungen, des EQ usw. ist eine App-Steuerung natürlich super.

Viktor Novyy hat geschrieben:Das ist keine Zukunftsvision, das ist bereits Realität. Nur Spaß macht es keinen, alles umständlich auf dem Tablet zu steuern.

Ob das umständlich ist, hängt von folgenden Faktoren ab:
1) Wie intuitiv ist die App programmiert?
2) Wie schaut es mit der Funktion im "Hintergrund" aus? Wenn ich 5 Apps für 5 verschiedene Geräte auf dem Tablet oder Smartphone im Hintergrund laufen habe, wie lange dauert es dann, die einzelne App in den Vordergrund zu holen? Dauert das lange, oder geht das in gefühlter Nullzeit? Das ist u.a. auch abhängig vom Betriebssystem und deren Energiespareinstellungen.
3) Können ggf. zwei solcher Apps per Splitscreen noch sinnvoll gleichzeitig im Vordergrund arbeiten?

Das geht alles mit einer App, der Logitech Harmony App. Die ist sehr intuitiv und man kann alles frei belegen. Allerdings finde ich eine Fernbedienung, die satt in der Hand liegt und ordentliche Druckpunkte hat, vorteilhafter. Ist wohl Geschmackssache.

Ich habe eine Frage zum LINK-Ausgang der nuPro X: Laut Anleitung dient dieser dazu, eine weitere Box über deren SPDIF-Eingang anzuschließen. Ist dieses Signal ein "normales" SPDIF-Signal oder schon irgendwie "bearbeitet", zB in Klang oder Lautstärke verändert? Liegt das Signal auch an, wenn an den Boxen "MUTE" aktiviert ist?
Meine eigentliche Frage ist, ob ich an den LINK-Ausgang zB auch einen Kopfhörerverstärker anschließen kann, um über diesen zu hören, wenn die nuPros "gemutet" sind oder ist der ausschließlich zum Anschluß anderer nuPro X geeignet?

Schau mal hier.

M. Pedal hat geschrieben:Aus dem Link-Out der X-Gerneration kommt ein vollwertiges spdif Signal (stereo).
Es kann beliebig weiter verwendet werden.